tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post2374719839722195601..comments2023-06-10T16:05:04.411+01:00Comments on Thanet Press Releases: Ian Driver calls for resignation of Thanet Council ChairmanMichael Childhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-24919784617760962662012-12-11T09:30:34.729+00:002012-12-11T09:30:34.729+00:00Thanks for the clarification, Cllr Driver. Guess ...Thanks for the clarification, Cllr Driver. Guess our views on so called equal marriage will remain poles apart. That's freedom I guess, but shame the PM should suddenly rush through something that was not in his party's manifesto. Mind you, politicians acting where they have no popular mandate is not uncommon as we have seen here in Thanet, so maybe we are not so free after all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-38809405978297656182012-12-10T21:39:40.706+00:002012-12-10T21:39:40.706+00:00Those of us following Pleasurama in Ramsgate would...Those of us following Pleasurama in Ramsgate would really just like to know who will be making the big bucks when the Freehold is disposed of, unless, of course, Venture Capitalists are involved out of the goodness of their hearts? In which case, we really should not be troubling ourselves? We will then, perhaps, take a nice long leisurely look at the individual/s who would have facilitated this. And as for Gay Marriage, I don't think our local councillors really have a mandate for holding a view, unless it can be proved of course that sufficient numbers of gay people are calling for this? I notice at the foot of the Ramsgate Action Group press release last week, that someone has highlighted the imposition of Halogen Lamps in Winterstoke Gardens, Ramsgate, which, I believe, is a Conservation Area? It is rumoured that gay/bisexual people hang around that area at night looking for sex? Perhaps a rummage around there to gather views about those lights may be more "on the money" than going on about gay marriage? Or, perhaps cruising for sex is the reason why some Conservatives, and the Thanet/Ramsgate Labour Administration, think getting them "married off" is the answer to that problem? David Cameron has, after all, stated that he does not want them to miss out on such a "Great Institution". Sooo kind. Sooo patriarchal!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-35073475567198797042012-12-10T20:41:23.924+00:002012-12-10T20:41:23.924+00:00Mr Clarke
I was merely repeating the comments o...Mr Clarke <br /><br /><br />I was merely repeating the comments of the Prime Minister who last week said that would like churches to conduct =marriages. Personally, I don't mind what churches do in relation to =marriage. Hope this helps Ian Drivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-19996058496239236542012-12-10T19:47:58.757+00:002012-12-10T19:47:58.757+00:00Cllr Driver, I was interested in your comment that...Cllr Driver, I was interested in your comment that same sex marriage is coming to a church near you, in a sort of live with it statement. Surely you are an Atheist so why would you want these ceremonies in churches, in which you have no belief, or is it simply to punish Christians.<br /><br />In a free world, and religious freedom is included in that, by what right do you decry my faith yet would condemn me if I oppose same sex marriage with labels like homophobe.<br /><br />All a bit one sided.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-73557578851878966622012-12-10T19:21:54.532+00:002012-12-10T19:21:54.532+00:00So your answer to population is that we should all...So your answer to population is that we should all go round buggering each other. Interesting notion, Michael.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-4114667477804459162012-12-10T17:33:28.487+00:002012-12-10T17:33:28.487+00:00Sorry Allan I guess I didn’t make my point well, r...Sorry Allan I guess I didn’t make my point well, religious moral and historical imperatives tend to work along the lines of what is best for the human species, which up until recently has been increasing the size of the population.<br /><br />Perhaps you will concede that at the moment, go forth and multiply, may no longer be the best advice. <br />Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-23485987306466274762012-12-10T14:59:17.225+00:002012-12-10T14:59:17.225+00:00Michael, did I quote the New Testament? I think y...Michael, did I quote the New Testament? I think you will find the answer is definitely in the negative so your historical clarification is unnecessary other than to support what is, presumably, your view.<br /><br />I think you will find that homosexuality is proscribed by many religions although that also was not the point. Also, your reference to the Buggary Act is irrelevant for that was English law. In case you had not noticed there are many other nations in the world, many of whom made such acts an offence.<br /><br />That apart, my main point is that if you start playing around with the rules by which mankind has lived and evolved, just where do you draw the line. Your point about lowering the age of consent to ten, just to bolster population, illustrates this well and may well have been perceived as politcally expedient at the time in the same way that Equal Marriage is by politicians today.<br /><br />In conclusion, if, as it would seem, the main come back of the supporters of this insidious legislation is that those of us who disagree with them are out of date, I would suggest they do not have much of a case.Allan Mallinsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-16559772737225926162012-12-10T13:58:13.506+00:002012-12-10T13:58:13.506+00:00Allan, to help clarify this issue from a purely te...Allan, to help clarify this issue from a purely textural and historical point of view.<br /><br />There is nothing textural in the New Testament that you can definitely pin down as saying that homosexuality is wrong, the Old Testament is much more tricky as if we took it literally there would be a lot of stoning to death going on and so on, sometimes just based on a persons nationality.<br /><br />The buggery act was introduced in this country in the 1500s at about the same time the age of consent was lowered to the age of ten, this appears to have much more to do with the ineed to increase the size of the population, than any moral or religious imperative. <br />Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-42174084949186964892012-12-10T13:40:32.662+00:002012-12-10T13:40:32.662+00:00Mr Driver, why are views you do not agree with dis...Mr Driver, why are views you do not agree with dismissed as old fashioned. Marriage is an age old institution between man and women primarily for the procreation of species. Let's take it a degree further and look at the laws of nature and sundry different religious orders. Nature creates opposite sexes for procreaction whilst most religions condemn same sex activity.<br /><br />If we are to dismiss these rules as outdated then surely that should apply to their other commandments, after all, enlightened people like you know quite well that God never gave Moses a list of them. On that basis, if buggary and sodomy are OK in the 21st century, what about murder or maybe stealing. Perhaps it is OK to covet your neighbours other half and so on.<br /><br />No doubt you prefer to pick and choose the bits that are not in line with your modern thinking, but once to go down the road of breaking the rules by which mankind has existed for centuries, just where do you draw the line. Mind you, aren't you the guy who wants to legalise drugs and prostitution. Like I said before, what an appalling decline in moral standards we are witnessing and, regrettably, it will all ends in tears.Allan Mallinsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-78861917939275412682012-12-10T13:17:28.102+00:002012-12-10T13:17:28.102+00:00Mr Mallinson and anon - please grow up and get ove...Mr Mallinson and anon - please grow up and get over your problems with LGBTs. Equal marriage is coming to a register office and maybe a church near to your soon. In my opinion this won't happen a day too soon. You are clearly on the wrong side of progress and you clearly have extremely old fashioned views which have no place in the 21 century.Ian Drivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-87243810812046609092012-12-10T13:09:43.554+00:002012-12-10T13:09:43.554+00:00Hi James I think you have misunderstood the issue ...Hi James I think you have misunderstood the issue I am raising. I am complaining about the fact that the Chairman acted contrary to Article 5 paragraph 5.01.3 of TDCs Constitution. Not 21.1. basically in using his casting vote in the way that he did he prevented the Council from discussing an issues of great public concern. thanks IanIan Drivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-14657313258172795822012-12-10T12:58:08.706+00:002012-12-10T12:58:08.706+00:00Cllr Jarvis is my favourite too. A genuinely nice ...Cllr Jarvis is my favourite too. A genuinely nice guy, with modern ideas and very hardworking too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-39518485877840998102012-12-10T11:21:11.551+00:002012-12-10T11:21:11.551+00:00Where is the twist, for Peter Tatchell is on publi...Where is the twist, for Peter Tatchell is on public record as pointing out this potential inequality. Sorry if it does not fit in with your plans, well known Anon, but not all LGBT people support this equal marriage proposal.<br /><br />As for these senior Conservatives, shall, we look at some? John Major, more famous for cheating on his wife with the Currie woman than his premiership and the extrovert Boris, also with previous for playing away from home, both want marriage for all people. Well like, Wow, Boo Boo. these people couldn't even honour their own marriage vows so why should we give any credence to their views on the matter.<br /><br />Sadly it all reflects the appalling decline in the moral standards of today's society. If that makes me a bigot or a homophobe in the view of the Diversity Wizard, so be it, I wear the badge with pride and suggest you run off to the old Bill, in your usual manner, to see what they have to say.Allan Mallinsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-87386119337542279772012-12-09T20:18:41.931+00:002012-12-09T20:18:41.931+00:00good twist of Tachell's wordsgood twist of Tachell's wordsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-34127627320208538542012-12-09T20:16:01.070+00:002012-12-09T20:16:01.070+00:00Cllr Driver is a natural politician - Cllr Moores ...Cllr Driver is a natural politician - Cllr Moores thinks being a snide and talking down to people makes a politician, that is probably why power was taken from under his nose!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-35748033210937633802012-12-09T20:10:19.720+00:002012-12-09T20:10:19.720+00:00The whole thing is so LGBT!The whole thing is so LGBT!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-21718263963234984062012-12-09T20:07:48.515+00:002012-12-09T20:07:48.515+00:00I agree, the standards campaign against our Divers...I agree, the standards campaign against our Diversity Champion was counter-productive. The question that should be asked is, why was someone that supports gay marriage selected as a candidate in the first place?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-29857636690621811482012-12-09T19:47:25.150+00:002012-12-09T19:47:25.150+00:00Marriage is a Christian concept and did'nt eve...Marriage is a Christian concept and did'nt even exist before we brought the pagan's to their knees.The word marriage is the property of Christians not other types. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-49007569812253669112012-12-09T19:38:22.000+00:002012-12-09T19:38:22.000+00:00I agree with Allan Mallinson, we also need to end ...I agree with Allan Mallinson, we also need to end so-called mix race marriages, matters not to our Diversity Champion, if you do not believe in equality you are branded a homophobobe or racist bigot.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-37980035168173760722012-12-09T19:29:11.855+00:002012-12-09T19:29:11.855+00:00Cllr Moores wants Sir Roger's job when he dies...Cllr Moores wants Sir Roger's job when he dies. However,so does does Cllr Bruce. My money is it going to KCC Councillor Michael JarvisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-53109728814472352382012-12-09T19:25:37.345+00:002012-12-09T19:25:37.345+00:00I've had my issues with Cllr Clark's Chair...I've had my issues with Cllr Clark's Chairmanship in the past but on this one, its entirely allowed under Council Procedure 21.2. For those grumbling about the use of his vote, there are 56 seats on TDC, therefore two people either abstained or weren't present. If TIG is manipulating it, then I make the point again, Labour and the Conservatives make 51 seats...simply find a way in which you can both vote together.<br /><br />The Constitution reference Driver makes I understand to relate to the length of debate rather than the manner of voting. I can see the argument relating to the debate about whether to debate the motions but surely it would be absurd for it to be anything more than the proposer and seconder speaking prior to the vote.<br /><br />Bringing it before Standards wont work and only emphasises the point John Worrow has made about wasting precious Council resources on complaints. Clark hasn't behaved unconstitutionally.James Maskellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15441611588943798565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-39345806408689440222012-12-09T19:19:58.937+00:002012-12-09T19:19:58.937+00:00So the usual suspect manages to swing a debate on ...So the usual suspect manages to swing a debate on a chairman's resignation over secrecy on issues of public concern round to gay marriage and, for good measure, manages once again to brand Roger Gale a bigot.<br /><br />So a few Tories, trying to be all PC, decide for political purposes to launch a campaign for so called Equal Marriage ignoring the fact that the Coalition for Marriage's campaign against has already received more support than any other previous government petition. Religious beliefs are dismissed as are concerns about potential changes in the framework of society that could result from this legislation. Even Peter Tatchell has declared that this legislation will produce a result far from equal, as straight couples will still be denied civil partnerships, an option still available to gays. Matters not to our Diversity Champion, if you do not see things his way you are a homophobic bigot.<br /><br /><br />Allan Mallinsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-85300190569037547082012-12-09T18:23:15.817+00:002012-12-09T18:23:15.817+00:00Unlike Simon and his chum Roger Gale these Tories ...Unlike Simon and his chum Roger Gale these Tories are on the right side of history. Simon is in dnager of being left behindAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-55980748094682963292012-12-09T17:49:39.806+00:002012-12-09T17:49:39.806+00:00A number of senior Conservative politicians announ...A number of senior Conservative politicians announced today that they had formed a new campaign group which supports the right of same-sex couples to marry, in an act of defiance against section 28 style bigots like Thanet North MP Sir Roger Gale, who has a history of backing the loosing side.<br /><br />A group of senior Conservatives, which uses the slogan “Freedom to Marry”, includes Boris Johnson, London Mayor, and Michael Gove, the Education Secretary.<br /> <br />The Transport Secretary, Patrick McLoughlin, a Catholic, and who had previously been seen as a voice against equal marriage rights, also appears on the list in support of equal marriage. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1491979293469345296.post-73931626260821985232012-12-09T17:35:04.109+00:002012-12-09T17:35:04.109+00:00I see that Simon likes to Bash John Worrow even th...I see that Simon likes to Bash John Worrow even though he and Ian have different views on this. Maybe if Simon would have had a more positive attitude towards LGBT issues, instead of LGBT Bashing in the first place he would still be in power.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com